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  • We will be meeting halfway with the 500th episode claim during the Game Changers premiere. Two-parters will be dealt with utmost care.

    • Reunion shows and America's Tribal Council are now included in the count, and they will be reflected in episode list template.
    • If the episode only has one title but covers two cycles (Gabon/Cagayan/Game Changers premiere, and Million Dollar Gamble episode in MvG), both cycles are counted as one episode.
    • The only exemption to this is the Outcast two-parter episode, since both episodes were aired separately.
    • Is the case of San Juan del Sur (Episodes 10/11) and Worlds Apart (Episodes 3/4) which aired two separate episodes with completely different episode titles, they are counted separately.
    • These changes puts our episode count to 504 (as of the latest episode title announcement of Game Changers, Dirty Deed). Because the Outcast arc was aired in two separate weeks while the rest of two-parters were not, the Game Changers premiere was actually the 501st episode.
    • Season finale pages must end with the announcement of the winner. Reunion show pages must contain every information thereafter.
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    • I hope the merger of the two The Stakes Have Been Raised episodes was correct.

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    • Please let me do this, just to be sure everything's in order. <3

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Please let me do this, just to be sure everything's in order. <3

      Okay sure. I'll just move the content over and leave both pages intact.  If I have done anything wrong please feel free to undo them :)

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    • Master Hydraffe wrote:
      IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Please let me do this, just to be sure everything's in order. <3
      Okay sure. I'll just move the content over and leave both pages intact.  If I have done anything wrong please feel free to undo them :)

      Sure thing boo. You've been an amazing admin. You're fine. xoxo

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Master Hydraffe wrote:
      IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Please let me do this, just to be sure everything's in order. <3
      Okay sure. I'll just move the content over and leave both pages intact.  If I have done anything wrong please feel free to undo them :)
      Sure thing boo. You've been an amazing admin. You're fine. xoxo

      Ty <3

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    • CBS counts 'Want to See the Elephant Dung?' and 'Million Dollar Gamble' as two episodes each.

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    • LincolnAloisio wrote: CBS counts 'Want to See the Elephant Dung?' and 'Million Dollar Gamble' as two episodes each.

      Yeah, for example they consider "Slayed the Survivor Dragon" as the 12th episode of Millennials vs. Gen X. Anyway, CBS's counting of double episodes is messed up. I don't get why sometimes they give them two titles and sometimes they don't. Like, look at the double ep "Like Selling Your Soul to the Devil"/"My Wheels Are Spinning", then "Million Dollar Gamble". How is there any difference between the two? Also, I suspect they didn't give separate titles to the two parts of "Million Dollar Gamble" solely to promote Game Changers's premiere as the 500th episode.

      So due to these confusing multiple cases, I think double episodes should always be listed as two episodes. But that's only my opinion.

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    • Distanceriez E. wrote:

      LincolnAloisio wrote: CBS counts 'Want to See the Elephant Dung?' and 'Million Dollar Gamble' as two episodes each.

      Yeah, for example they consider "Slayed the Survivor Dragon" as the 12th episode of Millennials vs. Gen X. Anyway, CBS's counting of double episodes is messed up. I don't get why sometimes they give them two titles and sometimes they don't. Like, look at the double ep "Like Selling Your Soul to the Devil"/"My Wheels Are Spinning", then "Million Dollar Gamble". How is there any difference between the two? Also, I suspect they didn't give separate titles to the two parts of "Million Dollar Gamble" solely to promote Game Changers's premiere as the 500th episode.

      So due to these confusing multiple cases, I think double episodes should always be listed as two episodes. But that's only my opinion.

      Game Changer's premiere wouldn't be the 500th episode regardless of it being counted as one or two episodes.

      The double episodes are just two episodes they decided to air in the same night, this is why they have different title (I have no idea why they didn't give Million Dollar Gamble part 2 its own title), it's not the case with premieres for obvious reasons.

      I think if we are going to try to follow CBS's numbering, we should jjst stick with whatever they do.

      Game Changers's episodes 8 and 9 will be on the same day, so let's see what happens.

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    • LincolnAloisio wrote:
      Game Changers's episodes 8 and 9 will be on the same day, so let's see what happens.

      Source?
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    • The double episodes are just two episodes they decided to air in the same night, this is why they have different title (I have no idea why they didn't give Million Dollar Gamble part 2 its own title), it's not the case with premieres for obvious reasons.

      What obvious reasons? I don't see any difference between the editing of double premieres and other double episodes, it's just covering two cycles on the same night. The double episodes are always planned by the editing team from the beginning, no matter if it's a premiere or not.

      Also, trying to follow CBS's numbering is a lost cause since they often contradict themselves about it (like the whole "500th episode" thing, or the recap of "The Stakes Have Been Raised" on CBS's website only covering the first part). Even for the doubles eps with two different titles, on CBS's video list they are considered as one episode.

      The main change here is to include Reunion Shows in the overall count, which is fine (although I'm skeptical about including America's Tribal Council in it since there's been other special episodes like Back from the Outback. I don't personally think that the special episodes should be included). But for the double episodes, there's so many differences in the counts that there's no real "official" numbering, and I think that all double episodes, regardless if they're premieres or not or if they have one or two titles, should be treated the same way.

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    • Distanceriez E. wrote:
      But for the double episodes, there's so many differences in the counts that there's no real "official" numbering, and I think that all double episodes, regardless if they're premieres or not or if they have one or two titles, should be treated the same way.

      You hit the nail on the head there. Double episodes have historically been produced as two one-hour episodes, and to pretend they're anything other than two one-hour episodes is an exercise in failure.

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    • Distanceriez E. wrote:
      The double episodes are just two episodes they decided to air in the same night, this is why they have different title (I have no idea why they didn't give Million Dollar Gamble part 2 its own title), it's not the case with premieres for obvious reasons.

      What obvious reasons? I don't see any difference between the editing of double premieres and other double episodes, it's just covering two cycles on the same night. The double episodes are always planned by the editing team from the beginning, no matter if it's a premiere or not.

      Also, trying to follow CBS's numbering is a lost cause since they often contradict themselves about it (like the whole "500th episode" thing, or the recap of "The Stakes Have Been Raised" on CBS's website only covering the first part). Even for the doubles eps with two different titles, on CBS's video list they are considered as one episode.

      The main change here is to include Reunion Shows in the overall count, which is fine (although I'm skeptical about including America's Tribal Council in it since there's been other special episodes like Back from the Outback. I don't personally think that the special episodes should be included). But for the double episodes, there's so many differences in the counts that there's no real "official" numbering, and I think that all double episodes, regardless if they're premieres or not or if they have one or two titles, should be treated the same way.

      America's Tribal Council is basically a second reunion show of All-Stars.

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    • Bwburke94 wrote:

      LincolnAloisio wrote:
      Game Changers's episodes 8 and 9 will be on the same day, so let's see what happens.

      Source?

      http://thefutoncritic.com/showatch/survivor/listings/

      Distanceriez E. wrote:

      The double episodes are just two episodes they decided to air in the same night, this is why they have different title (I have no idea why they didn't give Million Dollar Gamble part 2 its own title), it's not the case with premieres for obvious reasons.
      What obvious reasons? I don't see any difference between the editing of double premieres and other double episodes, it's just covering two cycles on the same night. The double episodes are always planned by the editing team from the beginning, no matter if it's a premiere or not. Also, trying to follow CBS's numbering is a lost cause since they often contradict themselves about it (like the whole "500th episode" thing, or the recap of "The Stakes Have Been Raised" on CBS's website only covering the first part). Even for the doubles eps with two different titles, on CBS's video list they are considered as one episode.

      It's a premiere, so they are obviously going to promote it as just one big episode. That's why they always are part1/2, so it's easier. And I don't believe episodes that are aired in the same day are planned to be aired in the same day since the beginning as one thing has nothing to do with the other and is just an schedule thing.

      I didn't say to follow CBS's numbering, especially because they don't make any sense, but I think this revamping in the numbers is supposed to be closer to their numbering, no? If not, what is the point?.

      I don't know why they didn't include TSHBR's second part in the recap, but up until MDG, all double episodes had one different recap page for each episode. So if you follow that, just including the reunions betwwen the finales/premieres, I believe you will get about the same number.

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    • Wait, how will the "Million Dollar Gamble" and the Survivor: Game Changers premiere be counted? It is aired separately in the Philippines (and possibly other international viewers).

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    • Which is only further proof that they were produced separately.

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    • Bwburke94 wrote: Which is only further proof that they were produced separately.

      It was actually aired back to back (except Million Dollar Gamble in which the 2nd episode didn't air on "first airing" because of a technical issue on the feed, pushing the 1st part on the 2nd episode slot and airing the 2nd part during primetime) although as separate episodes (with "Next Time on Survivor").

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    • Episodes 8 and 9 apparently have the same title (There's a New Sheriff in Town) so I'm assuming it will be the same case as Million Dollar Gamble, right?

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    • Basically.

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    • I think two-hour "episodes" are produced separately while 90-minute ones are considered as just 1 episode.

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    • Zjzr wrote:
      I think two-hour "episodes" are produced separately while 90-minute ones are considered as just 1 episode.

      Season finales and the HvV premiere are unambiguously a single 120-minute episode.

      What we should look at is the season layout, not the length of the episode(s).

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    • Bwburke94 wrote:

      Zjzr wrote:
      I think two-hour "episodes" are produced separately while 90-minute ones are considered as just 1 episode.

      Season finales and the HvV premiere are unambiguously a single 120-minute episode.

      What we should look at is the season layout, not the length of the episode(s).

      I agree too that season finales are considered single episodes. Not sure about Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains though and its intentional airings (was Sugar Kiper the only one eliminated on that episode?).

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    • HvV premiere was two hours, ending with the TC in which Sugar was voted out.

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    • Doesn't have any official value, but still: [1]

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    • Distanceriez E. wrote: Doesn't have any official value, but still: [1]

      It is something Rob Cesternino is pushing since "Vote Early, Vote Often" I think and he's trying to encourage other media outlets to use it for unity.

      To the one that replied that 1 episode = 1 credit -- "Million Dollar Gamble" and "About to Have a Rumble" were aired in the US I think as a singular, single credit episode. However, here in the Philippines, due to feed issues, that was the only episode aired during the "Via Satellite" afternoon airing. It also aired credits and a "Next Time on Survivor" thing. Part 2 (with Part 1 preceding it) was aired for the first time during primetime evening.

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    • Dalton is the last person I'd rely on for things like these, and I'M NOT GOING BACK TO EDIT BORNEO PAGES AGAIN.

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    • Preview for next week says "back to back new episodes".

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    • As long as they don't have separate titles, they still count as one, except if they are aired in two separate weeks. If they can't seem to standardize rules on episode counts, we should.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      As long as they don't have separate titles, they still count as one, except if they are aired in two separate weeks. If they can't seem to standardize rules on episode counts, we should.

      I still feel this is being done to place the premiere as 500, rather than in a legitimate attempt to make numbering rules. The preview clearly states these are two episodes.

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    • I strongly believe we take the premiere as a mere benchmark. Heck, I can't make the premiere to be 500 exactly because of the Outcast arc, even with the 2-parter premieres conjoined as one.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      Heck, I can't make the premiere to be 500 exactly because of the Outcast arc, even with the 2-parter premieres conjoined as one.

      If "What the...?" is 2 episodes, "Million Dollar Gamble" is 1 episode, and Survivor: America's Tribal Council is not counted (or if all three count as 1 episode) then the count post-MvGX is 499, making the Game Changers premiere 500.

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    • You are missing the Gabon and Cagayan premieres.

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    • Also, America's Tribal Council is counted as a second reunion show of All-Stars, and reunions are now part of the count.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote:
      You are missing the Gabon and Cagayan premieres.

      I took those into account, actually. The old count was as follows:

      • 33 seasons with approximately 14 non-recap episodes each (462)
      • plus one extra episode in All-Stars (463)
      • minus one episode for each season with 13 non-recap episodes (455)
      • plus 14 recap episodes (469)

      Now, adjusting to the new count:

      • old count (469)
      • plus 34 reunions, including America's Tribal Council (503)
      • minus second half of Gabon and Cagayan premieres (501)
      • minus second half of "Million Dollar Gamble" (500)

      To get to 499, they have to cut either "What the...? (Part 2)" or America's Tribal Council. I'm willing to bet that they excluded ATC, because they already didn't count the other post-reunion "reunions".

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    • Check your pm now, Burkey.

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    • IAmNothing712 wrote: Dalton is the last person I'd rely on for things like these, and I'M NOT GOING BACK TO EDIT BORNEO PAGES AGAIN.

      It is not only Dalton (or Rob). As I said, when it was aired in the Philippines, "Million Dollar Gamble" was aired as 2 separate episodes (with PoS and NToS spiels and credits). That means it was produced as 2 separate episodes, and was edited in a way for the US telecast as a single one. Maybe if they do release a DVD entry about it, I say it is treated as separate episode.

      P.S. You can just ask someone else to edit it if you don't want to, you know.

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