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The Fate of International Pages

Hi. I've been making my rounds today, and I noticed that more than half of the international-related pages appears to have little to no content whatsoever (i.e. no blurbs, just tables, even poorly constructed). As the Survivor Wiki's main page is currently on the stage of being refurbished, presenting these pages for me to a new visitor is embarrassing since we have very few information about them (truthfully, whatever content we have is no better than what is on Wikipedia). I would like to ask the community what to do with the international pages. Keep? Keep the versions that are well-documented? Delete altogether and have a separate wiki for them? 

I'm disappointed that opening the wiki again to international versions is becoming a failure, so if nothing fruitful comes out of this post (i.e. having a stand without sufficient arguments), I will have to make an executive decision to revert this wiki back to being exclusive to the American version. Those who proposed to contribute to certain versions better speak up or have your edits go to waste.

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Ifoundalemontree wrote:
If there are Wikis for international versions, the content should be transferred there.

I think it would be better if this Wiki went back to being a US Survivor wiki only. Another thing is that you cannot have a wiki dedicated to versions of the show the admins do not watch, and cannot edit if needed.

There are a few international wikis, but in their own languages, so most people won't understand them. 

And that's why the international versions are edited by people who watch and understand how to transfer them to English. :)

Besides, it's clear this wiki is dedicated mainly to the us version. The front page shows only the contestants from it, and all of the discussions are about it. The other versions don't harm the quality of the wiki or the us content. On the contrary, they only add to its cohesiveness as the main survivor wiki out there. There is enough space here for all of them to be represented equally and thoroughly. The idea of an international wiki and a wiki just for the us sounds a little bit silly. But oh well, I'm not an admin so I don't really get to decide. But I rest my case. I didn't see them being deleted so far, only improving, so I guess it was decided to keep the wiki as it is though nothing officially was announced.

Rony419 wrote:
There are a few international wikis, but in their own languages, so most people won't understand them.

And that's why the international versions are edited by people who watch and understand how to transfer them to English. :)

1. The question is: do people actually need to understand them? Why would anyone care for a version of "Survivor" they can't watch because it is in a language they don't understand?

2. This is yet another problem: the people who write the articles about the international versions usually do this in poor English, so the articles need to be edited later by someone with a better lever of English/a native speaker, which just leads to more work, and since almost no one does this, the Wiki looks really bad. I mean, even the US Survivor articles have to be rewritten, so what does it mean about the articles about international versions, especially non-English language ones?

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Ifoundalemontree wrote:

1. The question is: do people actually need to understand them? Why would anyone care for a version of "Survivor" they can't watch because it is in a language they don't understand?

2. This is yet another problem: the people who write the articles about the international versions usually do this in poor English, so the articles need to be edited later by someone with a better lever of English/a native speaker, which just leads to more work, and since almost no one does this, the Wiki looks really bad. I mean, even the US Survivor articles have to be rewritten, so what does it mean about the articles about international versions, especially non-English language ones?

1. If you don't care doesn't mean others don't care. I for once am interested to see how the other versions look, their own twists and the differences from the five versions I watched (US, Israel, Australia, NZ and South africa). It's cool to see how other countries interpretate survivor, even if I can't watch them. But having them here allows me and others to at least read about them in organized and pictured manner.

2. Not everyone have top-notch English in their pocket, especially in grammar. Imo that's the admins job to correct any grammatical mistakes and educate the ones who edit those pages on how to do it properly. Talk to those people and cooperate with them. Not berate them how poor of a job they are doing. I mean, if not that, then why are they for? It's part of their job to rewrite articles on here, and if it's too much, then it should be considered to add more admins than 10. (If I'm not mistaken that is the rule for the maximum admins)

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2. Not everyone have top-notch English in their pocket, especially in grammar. Imo that's the admins job to correct any grammatical mistakes and educate the ones who edit those pages on how to do it properly. Talk to those people and cooperate with them. Not berate them how poor of a job they are doing. I mean, if not that, then why are they for? It's part of their job to rewrite articles on here, and if it's too much, then it should be considered to add more admins than 10. (If I'm not mistaken that is the rule for the maximum admins)

1. If you need help with English, feel free to ask for help from admins or other active members of the community. Don't be shy. Ditto for any coding/formatting issues. (FYI copy/paste is your best friend if you're stuck.)

2. There's not a max on the number of admins (last I checked there were at least 15 around here) but obviously there can't be hundreds running around either. Plus not all admins are necessarily editors, some work with graphics and coding the site's layout.

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Keep the following versions; American, Australian, and New Zealand.  

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Just keep everyone.

Well, my opinion stays unchanged: each version of Survivor should have its own wiki with its own admins and all that. With all the versions on one wiki, the site feels very unorganized. It is a mess.

I've made my decision: We let the pages stay. We currently have users who are putting considerable effort on the more obscure versions. If these users stopped editing and left their versions unfinished (i.e. lacked significant content other than wikicode), we make the call when we get there.

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Good decision.
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IAmNothing712 wrote:
I've made my decision: We let the pages stay. We currently have users who are putting considerable effort on the more obscure versions. If these users stopped editing and left their versions unfinished (i.e. lacked significant content other than wikicode), we make the call when we get there.

Thank you for the patience. This wiki definitely deserves to be the home for the survivor franchise worldwide.